Comments on: Over A Quarter of Toronto Real Estate Is Bought By Investors With Multiple Properties https://betterdwelling.com/over-a-quarter-of-toronto-real-estate-is-bought-by-investors-with-multiple-properties/ Canada’s Fastest Growing Real Estate News Source Mon, 25 Oct 2021 17:30:03 +0000 hourly 1 By: RW https://betterdwelling.com/over-a-quarter-of-toronto-real-estate-is-bought-by-investors-with-multiple-properties/#comment-76071 Mon, 25 Oct 2021 17:30:03 +0000 https://betterdwelling.com/?p=18477#comment-76071 In reply to Benjamin.

Yes, the company should violate their terms of data subscription by giving out the raw data, permanently lose access to future information their business depends on, and then you still have the same issue of not knowing if the data is verifiable since it’s for subscribers. Teranet shared the article on their social media, so I’m guessing it’s pretty friggen reliable. Only 677,760 records to pull if you want to verify. That’s about $16,944,000 of inquires for the public to check, unless Teranet agrees to give you the data for cheaper (about ~$10k is my understanding). Or they can pay $17 million for giving you the data, so one person feels more comfortable.

Less credible is the governments that set up a system to hide information, and put it in the hands of a private, for-profit company.

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By: Benjamin https://betterdwelling.com/over-a-quarter-of-toronto-real-estate-is-bought-by-investors-with-multiple-properties/#comment-76069 Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:21:25 +0000 https://betterdwelling.com/?p=18477#comment-76069 In reply to RW.

You’re probably right. Though they make it out that additional analysis was done and extra context given for what all of these numbers mean.
I think if these types of articles are going to be taken seriously and hold any weight in any of our minds the author should include the source material, not just a link to the company who holds the data secretly. Personally, I think this particular dataset is absolutely fascinating and critical in pointing to the cause of increased home prices and rent (that is, more landlords are being made due to the promise of “investment properties”, and they are using their home equity to bid against one another to increase home prices. high rents then follow). However, I can’t (and I don’t think anyone here can) take this article seriously without source material. It’s too complicated a subject to derive meaningful conclusions without access to the raw data along with context for those numbers.
The author _may_ be trustworthy, but they should provide an avenue to “trust, but verify”

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By: Benjamin https://betterdwelling.com/over-a-quarter-of-toronto-real-estate-is-bought-by-investors-with-multiple-properties/#comment-76068 Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:13:20 +0000 https://betterdwelling.com/?p=18477#comment-76068 In reply to Shane-O-Mac.

It sounds like a big part of your positive financial position is having secured affordable rent years ago, with increases of no more than 1-2% year after year. Whereas people who buy / rent today (yourself included should you move to rent or buy) are participating in today’s market with high home prices and commensurately high rent (with increases far far greater than 1-2% year after year).
I think you’re in a lucky position where you are effectively living in the marketplace of 10-20 years ago (not sure when you secured your rent). But for anyone who is just entering the market, there isn’t much they can do. They will either have to pay high prices for a home or high prices for rent (made high due to high prices of homes)

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By: george https://betterdwelling.com/over-a-quarter-of-toronto-real-estate-is-bought-by-investors-with-multiple-properties/#comment-75999 Fri, 22 Oct 2021 03:08:03 +0000 https://betterdwelling.com/?p=18477#comment-75999 in the land of the blind the “one eyed Jack is King”…when the mortgages go up on a presumtion of the economy being “red hot”…the locksmiths will be busy opening doors only to find the keys on the table. 2029 is not that far away…remember what happened 100 years before right after the ‘roaring twenties”. The government has proven time and time again that they are by-standers who will sacrifice any business or person if the timing is right for re-election. Taxi drivers are one example…they got suckered into mortgaging their homes to buy into a career only to get clUBERed uber, who pay no taxes but the politicos get huge envelopes full of cash from uber to look the other way….who is next?

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By: Vic A https://betterdwelling.com/over-a-quarter-of-toronto-real-estate-is-bought-by-investors-with-multiple-properties/#comment-75969 Wed, 20 Oct 2021 23:47:02 +0000 https://betterdwelling.com/?p=18477#comment-75969 In reply to D.

Nice one! 😀

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By: Shane-O-Mac https://betterdwelling.com/over-a-quarter-of-toronto-real-estate-is-bought-by-investors-with-multiple-properties/#comment-75946 Tue, 19 Oct 2021 18:44:08 +0000 https://betterdwelling.com/?p=18477#comment-75946 In reply to Don Jason.

Either way – “the last one in is holding the bag.”
My wife and I live downtown TO and have rented for years (same place – thankfully still reasonable rent) watching this insane bubble grow exponentially over the years.
We have saved like squirrels and have kept our $400k powder dry in this craziness.
I have told her we will jump into buying when “this thing” comes crashing down – and the Gov’t and the pandemic money has just kept it going… but not for much longer.
And if these stats BD quoted are true to form, we will have the pick of the litter of properties to choose from on severe discount in a matter of months – not just from the recent buyers in the pricing bubble – but the investors who thought it wise to buy in at the same time.
As Rumi once said –

“Greed makes man blind and foolish – and makes him an easy prey to death.”

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By: Fritz Schulze https://betterdwelling.com/over-a-quarter-of-toronto-real-estate-is-bought-by-investors-with-multiple-properties/#comment-75945 Tue, 19 Oct 2021 17:29:19 +0000 https://betterdwelling.com/?p=18477#comment-75945 In reply to D.

Be careful what you wish for. If you haven’t done well in a structured environment what makes you think you will do better in an unstructured environment?

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By: RW https://betterdwelling.com/over-a-quarter-of-toronto-real-estate-is-bought-by-investors-with-multiple-properties/#comment-75940 Tue, 19 Oct 2021 16:04:01 +0000 https://betterdwelling.com/?p=18477#comment-75940 In reply to Benjamin.

They probably paid Teranet for the data, which just come as a CSV at my work. Expensive as hell too.

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By: Don Jason https://betterdwelling.com/over-a-quarter-of-toronto-real-estate-is-bought-by-investors-with-multiple-properties/#comment-75930 Tue, 19 Oct 2021 05:24:15 +0000 https://betterdwelling.com/?p=18477#comment-75930 In reply to Sam Moradi.

“Are you claiming property prices in London did NOT go through the roof?”

Not like in Toronto.

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By: Don Jason https://betterdwelling.com/over-a-quarter-of-toronto-real-estate-is-bought-by-investors-with-multiple-properties/#comment-75929 Tue, 19 Oct 2021 05:22:33 +0000 https://betterdwelling.com/?p=18477#comment-75929 In reply to Sam Moradi.

“Supply and demand have to both be discussed. There are multiple factors on each side and they all have to be addressed.”

Very true. Agree 100%

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