Comments on: Canadian Household Debt Growth Has Never Fallen This Low Outside of Recession https://betterdwelling.com/canadian-household-debt-growth-has-never-fallen-this-low-outside-of-recession/ Canada’s Fastest Growing Real Estate News Source Tue, 04 Dec 2018 20:05:19 +0000 hourly 1 By: ID https://betterdwelling.com/canadian-household-debt-growth-has-never-fallen-this-low-outside-of-recession/#comment-40378 Tue, 04 Dec 2018 20:05:19 +0000 https://betterdwelling.com/?p=10425#comment-40378 In reply to JJ.

Agree, but could be time-lag if sold 1-2 years ago and bought something cheaper now – ie no mortgage at all.

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By: JJ https://betterdwelling.com/canadian-household-debt-growth-has-never-fallen-this-low-outside-of-recession/#comment-40371 Tue, 04 Dec 2018 19:01:03 +0000 https://betterdwelling.com/?p=10425#comment-40371 In reply to ID.

Someone had to buy the $1M home and I’m betting it wasn’t paid for in cash.

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By: DB https://betterdwelling.com/canadian-household-debt-growth-has-never-fallen-this-low-outside-of-recession/#comment-40370 Tue, 04 Dec 2018 18:24:49 +0000 https://betterdwelling.com/?p=10425#comment-40370 Your all spot on…the cash crunch started happening a year or more ago for most families. Those that did not read the warning signs and acted buried their heads in the sand and kept dipping into their HELOC until one day they walked into their bank and were told no…no more additions to your HELOC because the numbers don’t add up. Thats happening now and why you see these numbers the way they are..its not for a lack of trying I’m sure of that. It’s the banks saying no not today. This is a time where business (cool heads) will prevail and the average Joe will not. The banks will be around tomorrow but you may not. To many average Joe’s are dealing with external forces such as family, a nagging spouse, too much pride, and so called family commitments to pull their heads out of the @s$ and act.
I’m the one not sitting in a chair right now…I gave mine up several months ago…hope it works out for me. I still have a while to linger and lick my wound’s from a brutal divorce before jump back in and it looks like the timing could not have been better.

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By: JNT https://betterdwelling.com/canadian-household-debt-growth-has-never-fallen-this-low-outside-of-recession/#comment-40369 Tue, 04 Dec 2018 18:24:00 +0000 https://betterdwelling.com/?p=10425#comment-40369 Recession is coming sooner than we thought. U.S. Treasury yield curve inverted for the first time in more than a decade. Dow down 550 points right now, led by banks. You bag holders have a few months before this blows north and turns nasty. Anecdote: I know you love those here- During the GFC my landlord reduced my rent by $250 a month in the hottest neighborhood in NYC.

If you condo investors think you’re rental income is going to increase or stay the same during a recession you have no idea what a recession does.

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By: RainCityRyan https://betterdwelling.com/canadian-household-debt-growth-has-never-fallen-this-low-outside-of-recession/#comment-40368 Tue, 04 Dec 2018 18:06:13 +0000 https://betterdwelling.com/?p=10425#comment-40368 In reply to ID.

that works for whomever is selling the detached and downsizing … but for every sale there must be a buyer. so what happens to the buyer of the single family detached? it’s not possible for the whole country to do this (unless we have a LARGE uptick in foreign ownership)

this is a story of decreasing credit in the economy. less credit equals less spending which means less income for someone … it’s called deleveraging.

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By: ID https://betterdwelling.com/canadian-household-debt-growth-has-never-fallen-this-low-outside-of-recession/#comment-40365 Tue, 04 Dec 2018 17:44:20 +0000 https://betterdwelling.com/?p=10425#comment-40365 What about downshifting?
Friends sold house for 1 mil in December 2016 and bought 2 condos for 350 grands each.
Now they just enjoy life.
Same story could be here with investors who sold house => invest in condos (bought or >20% downpayment).

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By: JJ https://betterdwelling.com/canadian-household-debt-growth-has-never-fallen-this-low-outside-of-recession/#comment-40363 Tue, 04 Dec 2018 17:18:22 +0000 https://betterdwelling.com/?p=10425#comment-40363 In reply to Eugene SH.

I am no guru but I see it this way: if credit growth is slowing, there will be less money in the economy. If there is less money available, how can asset prices continue to rise if tomorrow’s buyer cannot raise as much money as yesterday’s buyer?

Regardless, on the second chart in the article there appears to be sharp decreases in debt growth before 1982, 1991, and 2008, but I have no technical answer.

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By: @xelan_gta https://betterdwelling.com/canadian-household-debt-growth-has-never-fallen-this-low-outside-of-recession/#comment-40360 Tue, 04 Dec 2018 17:03:53 +0000 https://betterdwelling.com/?p=10425#comment-40360 In reply to Charles A.

Charles, because major changes like this usually take a couple of years before they have full impact. People and even business think it’s a temporary thing so they try to wait it out until either they become insolvent or loose hope.
That’s the main reason why we don’t see a massive number of listings in GTA. People still hope market will rebound shortly so they can sell at least at Apr 2017 prices.

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By: JJ https://betterdwelling.com/canadian-household-debt-growth-has-never-fallen-this-low-outside-of-recession/#comment-40359 Tue, 04 Dec 2018 16:57:46 +0000 https://betterdwelling.com/?p=10425#comment-40359 In reply to Charles A.

Because everyone is doing great until they aren’t. By definition times are good until the recession starts.

I guess to answer the question, people who are “doing well” may think they “own” things that they do not own (such as a heavily mortgaged property). If these assets are further used as collateral to fuel spending, the balloon continues to inflate. Everything looks fine and dandy on the outside as long as the market continues upwards, but eventually spending (the economy) will slow as stagnant incomes can no longer keep up with rising debt service payments (fueled by rising interest rates).

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By: SUMSKILLZ https://betterdwelling.com/canadian-household-debt-growth-has-never-fallen-this-low-outside-of-recession/#comment-40358 Tue, 04 Dec 2018 16:52:41 +0000 https://betterdwelling.com/?p=10425#comment-40358 In reply to Andrew Jerabek.

Anecdotes: tradespeople are now available for appointments the next day, homes in my hood are still for sale after more than six weeks, my autofix place has started aggressive maintenance upselling, Kijiji has nothing good on offer since the end of summer.

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